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A321XLR possibili sviluppi sul sistema Milanese

Messaggio da leggereda CabinCrew » mar 25 giu 2019, 13:23:50

Ciao a tutti non scrivo molto qui sul forum e nonostante la giovane età non mi intendo molto di informatica, se ritenete il mio argomento non degno di uno spazio dedicato o pensiate vada accorpato ad un altro chiedo scusa, lo aggiusterò! Lavoro in una compagnia aerea la quale ha acquistato il nuovo A321XLR con importanti prospettive sul nostro network. Mi chiedevo, ad esempio: questo modello a pieno carico potrebbe decollare dall’attuale pista di LIN? Perché se così fosse sarebbe una ulteriore minaccia per MXP (Decreti a parte), contando che il range massimo dell’aereo è quello riportato nella mappa
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Messaggio da leggereda malpensante » mar 25 giu 2019, 13:47:04

Nel thread dedicato al 321 XLR si è detto che per decollare a pieno carico avrà probabilmente bisogno di 2.800-2.900 metri, molti di più dei 2.400 della pista di linate.

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Messaggio da leggereda CabinCrew » mar 25 giu 2019, 14:55:00

malpensante ha scritto:Nel thread dedicato al 321 XLR si è detto che per decollare a pieno carico avrà probabilmente bisogno di 2.800-2.900 metri, molti di più dei 2.400 della pista di linate.
Come ho anticipato sono un disastro con internet, non avevo visto ci fosse già un thread specifico. Grazie mille!!

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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda kco » mar 09 lug 2019, 18:06:58

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When looking at the launch of the Airbus A321XLR at this year's Paris air show, it is perhaps instructive to cast your mind back two years earlier to the 2017 event.

That edition of the biennial show saw the launch, to similar fanfare, of the Boeing 737 Max 10 - which, at 43.8m (143ft 8in) long, will be the largest variant of the re-engined narrowbody family.

The two aircraft are aimed at different parts of the market - the Max 10 will be able to fly 3,300nm (6,110km) and carry a maximum of 230 passengers, while the new A321neo derivative will have a range of 4,700nm and capacity for 270 passengers - making a comparison imperfect.

However, aside from the venue, there are same parallels between the launches of the two narrowbodies.

By the end of the 2017 Paris air show, Boeing had secured 361 orders for the -10 variant from 16 customers (nine airlines and seven lessors). However, of those commitments, 214 aircraft were covered by swaps from other Max models; a rate of just under 60%.

"It can fly routes like Cairns-Tokyo or Melbourne-Singapore, which existing narrowbodies can't, and that changes the economics of lots of potential routes into Asia to make them not just physically possible but financially attractive" Alan Joyce, group chief executive, Qantas

For the A321XLR, meanwhile, Airbus has secured 15 customers - all but one an airline - who are taking a combined 249 aircraft. Of these, 112 - 45% - are conversions from previous orders.

While that is a lower rate of conversion than seen for the Max 10, the difference between otehr family members is higher for the Airbus product: the A321XLR offers 700nm of additional range over the current LR variant, while the performance of the Boeing jet is closer to its Max 9 sibling, which can carry 220 passengers over 3,550nm.

While Boeing does not break down its orders for individual Max variants, Cirium's Fleets Analyzer suggests that the US airframer has amassed 531 orders for the 737-10, with a further 138 aircraft covered by tentative commitments.

Interestingly, in the wake of the 2017 show, Airbus announced that it had begun final assembly of the Airbus Cabin Flex (ACF) version of the A321neo - a high-capacity narrowbody designed to carry up to 240 passengers, which became the basis for the current 4,000nm-range LR model. That saw maximum take-off weight (MTOW) increased to 97t, and the installation of a third additional centre tank (ACT).

For the XLR, MTOW rises by another 4t and the twinjet gains a permanent rear centre fuel tank which holds the equivalent of four ACTs, for the weight of just one.

Airbus's move in launching the A321XLR is partly tactical, to disrupt Boeing's plans for its New Mid-market Airplane, which will arrive two years after the European jet, assuming a launch to the current timetable.

Some airline buyers clearly see the XLR as the long-sought 757 replacement.

American Airlines - arguably the marquee customer for the type so far - will use its 50 jets to replace a 34-strong fleet of 757-200s, as well as providing new long-haul narrowbody capabilities, says the carrier's president Robert Isom.

"Adding in some new A321XLRs, I think, is really gonna give us the opportunity to do things we haven't thought of in the past."

Transatlantic routes will be one key area for the A321XLR: Aer Lingus is already retiring its small fleet of the Boeing twinjet in favour of the LR and will build on that operation with the new variant.

It also paves the way for new contenders in that market. "The incredible extended range of the A321XLR allows us to evaluate even more overseas destinations as we think about JetBlue's expansion into European markets plagued by high premium fares and sub-par service," says JetBlue chief executive Robin Hayes.

JetBlue had announced in April its intention to convert 13 A321neos to the A321LR, to launch its first transatlantic services to London in 2021, from Boston and New York JFK. Flying the great circle route, those are flights of 2,840nm and 3,000nm, respectively. Although not mentioned by Hayes, Chicago O'Hare to Heathrow is only 3,440nm, Miami 3,850nm and Dallas-Fort Worth 4,130nm.

It is intriguing to note that Boeing had long dismissed the A321 as being on a par with the 757: marketing material on the US airframer's website dating from 2007 - three years after production of the type ended - lauded the capabilities of its jet over those of its rival.

"The 757 has the performance to serve short-, medium-, and long-range missions. The A321 does not."

That, however, was based on the older-generation A321, with range a little shy of 3,000nm.

Committing to take 36 A321XLRs, Qantas group chief executive Alan Joyce, says: "We already know the A320 is a great aircraft and this new variant can fly further and more efficiently than any other single aisle jet on the market.

"It can fly routes like Cairns-Tokyo or Melbourne-Singapore, which existing narrowbodies can't, and that changes the economics of lots of potential routes into Asia to make them not just physically possible but financially attractive."

Also worth noting is that around one-third of orders for the A321XLR have come from the low-cost sector, in the form of Cebu Pacific (10), JetBlue (13) and a trio of carriers - Frontier Airlines, JetSmart and Wizz Air - that are backed by Indigo Partners (50).

While long-haul low-cost is an area where carriers have had mixed success, the XLR opens the way up for more competitors in the space without the need for radical changes in fleet commonality.

Of course, whether passengers relish being confined inside a narrowbody fuselage - particularly one in a low-cost configuration - for sectors of up to 8h, remains to be seen.

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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda kco » ven 12 lug 2019, 12:25:09

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... f215607757

Articolo interessante sul mercato e le prospettive dei due costruttori.

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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda malpensante » ven 12 lug 2019, 13:08:29

Articolo molto interessante, ma lo trovo un po' troppo Boeing friendly. Sui quesiti dei MAX mi sembra sorvoli troppo.

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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda kco » ven 12 lug 2019, 15:44:47

Boeing ha chiaramente un problema sui nb e questo a prescindere dalle ultime traversie del max. Non raggiungerà mai la parità con Airbus in quel settore, il A320 è una famiglia che ha gestito meglio la rimotorizzazione tanto che il max monta un fan più piccolo dell'ottimale solo per questioni di altezza dal suolo.
Da qui nasce il MOM per tamponare la falla appena sopra il 737 dove Airbus spopola con il A321.
Però Airbus si trova un prodotto poco competitivo come il A330 neo che compete male con il 787 e ha un buco enorme dal A350 al A321: cosa farà se è quando il 797 vedrà la luce?
1) niente
2) sostituto del A330 neo
3) nuovo A300 (dico come dimensioni )

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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda malpensante » ven 12 lug 2019, 16:11:54

Non sono d’accordo. Il 330 neo ha dalla sua un prezzo che può essere abbassato a volontà, visto che lo sviluppo è stato pienamente ammortizzato.

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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda kco » ven 12 lug 2019, 16:57:55

malpensante ha scritto:Non sono d’accordo. Il 330 neo ha dalla sua un prezzo che può essere abbassato a volontà, visto che lo sviluppo è stato pienamente ammortizzato.
Sono sicuro che per Airbus sia stato un successo economico dato che ci ha speso un quinto del 787 ma la versione A330-800 non vende e quindi si presta poco a combattere un 797 mentre il A321neo e le sue varianti stanno facendo un ottimo lavoro in questo senso.
Situazione speculare la ha Boeing sul 777 con la versione -8 che vende e venderà poco e la -9 che vive indisturbata ma non si capisce le dimensioni del mercato che potrà avere.

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Messaggio da leggereda malpensante » ven 12 lug 2019, 19:23:57

Il 358 è abortito, il 319 è morto, il 788 è finito.

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » ven 12 lug 2019, 20:06:26

malpensante ha scritto:Il 358 è abortito, il 319 è morto, il 788 è finito.
Si il mercato non ama gli accorciati...

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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda kco » dom 14 lug 2019, 15:29:49

Airbus has potentially increased total A220 orders by more than 50% in the year since the airframer took over the former Bombardier CSeries programme.

Bombardier took 402 commitments for the two CSeries models - the CS100 and CS300 - in the 10 years following its launch of the type in 2008.

Airbus acquired the CSeries at the beginning of July last year, rebranding it as the A220, and booked its first firm orders some five months later when JetBlue Airways and Moxy - David Neeleman's US start-up - signed for a combined 120 jets.

Chief commercial officer Christian Scherer has described the aircraft as a "salesman's delight" and Airbus appears to be delivering on its claim that it could exploit its marketing power to lift the order backlog for the twinjet.

Airbus in its half-year figures lists firm orders for 551 aircraft - 90 A220-100s and 461 of the -300s - but has publicly revealed orders and commitments for at least 219 aircraft since acquiring the programme, taking the overall total to 621.

At June's Paris air show, Delta Air Lines increased its orders for the type by five, having previously added 15 units and converted 35 of the A220-100 to the larger -300 variant, while JetBlue added another 10 to its own total.

In addition, US lessor Air Lease announced it was intending to acquire 50 A220s and Nordic Aviation Capital (NAC), which has long held an interest in the jet, signed for 20. However, neither of these agreements are included in the airframer's June order figures.

While the -300 has been the more popular variant, Airbus has secured orders for two -100s from Air Vanuatu - which is also taking two -300s - plus another five from Delta, while NAC has indicated that its 20-jet deal includes the smaller model.

The -100 accounted for 85 of the 536 firm orders Airbus held for the A220 at the end of May, by which point 72 A220s had been delivered - including 35 under Airbus's management.

Just one customer, the Swiss premium charter specialist PrivatAir, has cancelled its A220 agreement, an order for five -100s, after its collapse last year.

While interest in the A220 has been heavily directed at the larger variant, programme chief Florent Massou told FlightGlobal in June that the airframer, which is already raising the maximum take-off weight, is not yet looking at a further increase in size.

"Our short-term focus is on the -100 and -300," he says, but he adds: "We know the platform has some capacity - and every aircraft wants to be stretched."

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » dom 14 lug 2019, 15:48:46

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fi ... 23498.html

AF potrebbe considerare l'A220 e il A350-1000

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Messaggio da leggereda malpensante » dom 14 lug 2019, 16:05:49

Effettivamente i 321XLR potrebbero far comodo per qualche destinazione africana minore.

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » lun 29 lug 2019, 18:05:14

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/ ... ssion=true

L' A220 potrebbe fare altri passi avanti...

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » dom 04 ago 2019, 14:48:45

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-460069/

A me ogni tanto BA lascia un po' perplesso...

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » dom 04 ago 2019, 14:49:09

kco ha scritto:https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/ ... ssion=true

L' A220 potrebbe fare altri passi avanti...

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » dom 04 ago 2019, 14:55:10

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Considering the degree to which the A220 is quietly flourishing under Airbus's nurturing, the twinjet received surprisingly little attention during the airframer's half-year results briefing.

Just a few hours beforehand, Air France, the flag carrier of one of Airbus's home nations, had declared that it was intending to take up to 120 of the type, the latest in a line of high-profile agreements to follow the airframer's 2018 acquisition of the programme.

Airbus is aiming to deliver 45 A220s this year and preparing to open a new production line in Mobile, Alabama, and it has already embarked on enhancements to the airframe that will increase its range.

But investors, like journalists, can be a cynical lot, less interested in things that are going smoothly and more inclined to poke at exposed nerves.

This meant that Airbus's chief, Guillaume Faury, barely mentioned the A220 and spent much of the briefing instead addressing concerns about the rest of the single-aisle line - particularly the A321neo, which is creating its own set of frustrations as a consequence of its evolution and increasing popularity.

Shifts in the single-aisle variant mix since the re-engining have put production pressures on the A321neo

Shifts in the single-aisle variant mix since the re-engining programme have put production pressures on the A321neo, not just in terms of absolute numbers but crucially in the level of complexity associated with the model, as its fuselage reconfiguration and longer-range capabilities have necessitated substantial customer cabin redesigns.

Single-aisle crisis management is hardly a new experience for Airbus. Back-loading of deliveries had almost become routine for the company after technical snags affected A320neo engine production and left dozens of "gliders" awaiting powerplant installation.

Airbus is chasing a higher delivery target this year, while having to cope with restrictions in the twin-aisle sector - the airframer is limiting A330 output, as it transitions to the A330neo, and A380 production is dwindling.

All of this means that Airbus - facing the nice-to-have problem of a colossal combined A320neo-family backlog - is relying on a smooth ramp-up of single-aisle assembly to reach its target and provide confidence over its ability to cope with even higher rates.

Airbus had not intended to count the A220 in its production targets last year. As long as the A321neo industrial issues remain "challenging and difficult", the airframer is probably going to be fairly relieved that, in 2019, the little jet will be playing its part in keeping up the numbers



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Re: Airbus lancia A321XLR

Messaggio da leggereda mattaus313 » lun 05 ago 2019, 13:18:30

https://www.repubblica.it/economia/2019 ... 232683936/

Con l'XLR se va bene mettono fuori gioco il NMA, ma il Dreamliner la vedo dura :confuso:
A parte che ultimamente Boeing si sta mettendo fuori gioco da sola...

PS non si diceva FARE scacco matto?
"Because you needed a lot of capital in an airline, you needed to be where the financial markets were, and obviously that's New York"

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Messaggio da leggereda KittyHawk » lun 05 ago 2019, 13:33:28

Per sintetizzare in modo politicamente corretto gran parte dell'articolo di Repubblica, "spazzatura".

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » lun 05 ago 2019, 13:57:54

Direi che repubblica abbia capito ben poco...

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Messaggio da leggereda easyMXP » lun 05 ago 2019, 15:34:56

KittyHawk ha scritto:Per sintetizzare in modo politicamente corretto gran parte dell'articolo di Repubblica, "spazzatura".
Concordo

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Messaggio da leggereda Pierluigi » lun 05 ago 2019, 15:52:06

KittyHawk ha scritto:Per sintetizzare in modo politicamente corretto gran parte dell'articolo di Repubblica, "spazzatura".
La cosa più ridicola è la stoccata a Berlusconi, come se Airbus non fosse un consorzio nato nel 1970 ma nel 1994...
L'anti-berlusconite virale è evidentemente una malattia cronica e inguaribile :green:

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Messaggio da leggereda kco » ven 16 ago 2019, 16:36:43

Parallelamente sta succedendo un' altra cosa... Boeing ha grossi problemi con i motori del 777x tanto da doverli sbarcare dal primo prototipo. Il 777-8 subirà, di conseguenza un notevole ritardo e li Airbus sta per attaccare con il A350-1000ULR.

Segue articolo di Macheras e Flight International

https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2019/08/1 ... ssion=true

The crisis meetings in Seattle have got longer and bleaker in recent weeks, as the fallout from the 737 Max grounding continues amid significant disruption to Boeing's other existing and future programmes.

The revelation that development of the 777X family's smaller, ultra-long-range -8 variant has been suspended comes in the wake of the serious delay to the baseline -9. Meanwhile, the proposed New Mid-market Airplane (NMA) is in limbo as Boeing rightly focuses on returning the Max safely to service. The NMA already looks like being the longest-running airliner launch in history, if indeed it ever becomes a reality.

Of course, the 777-9 should now be well into its flight-test programme. Instead, it remains firmly on the ground - ostensibly due to a redesign of part of the high-pressure compressor in its GE Aviation GE9X powerplant.

A maiden sortie is now expected in early 2020, which is around when deliveries should have begun. The -8 was due to follow two years later in 2022, but this schedule is now on ice. Boeing has made it clear that the GE9X woes are the pacing item on the -9, and that the -8 move is to reduce "development risk".

Boeing is bullishly adhering to its target of a 2020 first delivery for the -9, which looks wildly optimistic at best

Given revelations that have emerged around the certification of derivative programmes in the wake of the 737 Max grounding, there is likely to be increased scrutiny on policies applied during the development of the 777X - another "grandfathered" design.

Boeing is bullishly adhering to its target of a 2020 first delivery for the -9, which looks wildly optimistic at best. The decision to park the -8 should help Boeing's engineers stay within their capacities as they work to mitigate the damage caused by the GE9X delay.

The decision to pause the -8 is softened by the fact that it is aimed at the relatively niche ultra-long-haul market. According to Cirium's Fleets Analzyer, the 777-8 represents only 15% of total 777X orders - just 53 aircraft.

Airbus is no stranger to the issues Boeing is currently facing. It had to suspend the A380F and ultra-long-range A350-800 programmes to ensure it could get control of the baseline variants. In the end, neither version made it off the drawing board.

Could the same fate could befall the 777-8? Probably not, as with the demise of the 777-300ER, the smaller 777X variant will provide a counter to the A350-1000 - albeit with a surplus of range capability. But Boeing may decide once the -9 is back on track that a larger 777X model, rather than a smaller one, is the where its focus should be.

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Messaggio da leggereda KittyHawk » ven 16 ago 2019, 17:23:51

La cosa buffa è che le attuali criticità di Boeing e Airbus sono complementari. Gli americani hanno la divisione R&D sovraccarica di lavoro e che non ce la fa e le linee di produzione del 737 inutilmente utilizzate, gli europei hanno la divisione R&D che lavora senza problemi ma al momento gli mancano almeno un paio di FAL.
Entrambi poi hanno problemi coi fornitori, o perché devono ritardare/bloccare gli ordini di subfornitura in un caso oppure perché non possono ricevere tutta l'extra fornitura che vorrebbero nell'altro.

Situazione generale da divano e pop-corn. :razz:


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