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Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
Lufthansa Group Expands Strategic Partnership with Air India
- Enhanced market access to the world's most populous country with the fastest-growing aviation demand globally
- Joint Business Agreement for more connections, joint marketing of flight offerings, and improved customer experience
- India is the second most important market for long-haul flights after the USA
- Carsten Spohr: "New chapter in aviation between India and the EU"
The Lufthansa Group and Air India will work even more closely together in the future. To this end, Carsten Spohr, Chairman of the Executive Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Chief Executive Officer of the Lufthansa Group, and Campbell Wilson, Chief Executive Officer of Air India, today signed a Memorandum of Understanding that establishes the framework for a future Joint Business Agreement between the Lufthansa Group airlines as well as Air India and Air India Express.
The agreement is specifically designed to capitalize on new growth opportunities arising from the recently concluded free trade agreement between India—the world's most populous country—and the European Union (EU). The EU states are India's largest trading partners for goods. Bilateral trade in goods currently totals €180 billion per year. Both economic powers account not only for a quarter of the world's population, but also for a quarter of the world’s gross domestic product (GDP). The latest agreement creates nothing less than the world's largest free trade area.
Carsten Spohr, Chairman of the Executive Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Chief Executive Officer of the Lufthansa Group:
"Today's agreement with our long-standing Star Alliance partner Air India is a strong signal of our mutual determination to open a new chapter in aviation between the EU and India following the landmark trade agreement between both economic regions. Together with Air India, we will strengthen our access to the aviation market with the highest growth rates worldwide. The Lufthansa Group is already the most successful and most popular European airline group among customers in India. In the future, we will contribute to deepening economic and cultural relations between India and Europe with even more connections. With our new long-haul aircraft and Lufthansa Allegris and SWISS Senses on board, we are offering a significantly improved premium travel experience in all classes on more and more routes, including to India.”
Campbell Wilson, Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, Air India: “This milestone in our deepening relationship with the Lufthansa Group is great news for travellers and enterprises alike between India and Europe. As Air India continues to expand its global footprint with a fast-modernising fleet and transformed product and service offerings, this framework enables us to explore closer cooperation on multiple fronts to meet the growing trade, commerce, and people-to-people ties between our respective regions. This would unlock greater value for our common customers and respective shareholders, and we look forward to progressing these initiatives together with the Lufthansa Group.”
The immense growth of the Indian aviation market with a rapidly growing and affluent middle class offers enormous potential. Routes between the European home markets and India have already become the second most important premium market for long-haul flights for the Lufthansa Group after the USA. Deepening cooperation with Air India, the country's largest long-haul airline and a long-standing partner of the Lufthansa Group, opens up additional growth potential for both partners.
Currently, the Lufthansa Group airlines and Air India offer codeshare flights on 146 routes to 22 countries. The joint network comprises 15 Indian and 27 European destinations. Lufthansa offers its customers the most connections to India from Frankfurt: to Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, and Hyderabad. From the 5-star hub Munich, Delhi, Mumbai, and Bangalore are served. While SWISS flies from Zurich to Delhi and Mumbai, ITA Airways connects Rome with Delhi. This means that the newest member of the Lufthansa Group, ITA Airways, is also part of the Memorandum of Understanding. This extensive offering is complemented by Air India with long-haul connections from Delhi to Frankfurt, Zurich, Vienna, and Milan as well as from Mumbai to Frankfurt.
The Memorandum of Understanding signed today focuses in a first step on expanding and jointly marketing flight offerings with the goal of providing customers with a better connected and seamless travel experience between the Lufthansa Group's home markets—Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Italy—and India. A second step envisions incorporating the remaining EU countries and the Indian subcontinent. The exact scope, including specific routes and markets, will be determined following the completion of the commercial Joint Business Agreement, subject to required regulatory and antitrust approvals.
Looking ahead, the cooperation is to be expanded in several areas, particularly regarding the customer travel experience. The focus will be on further coordination of flight schedules and route networks in selected markets so that passengers can benefit from better connections and shorter transfer times. In addition, both partners want to combine their sales and marketing activities for flights between the Lufthansa Group's European home markets and India, better integrate frequent flyer programs, and optimize airport processes for improved customer comfort.
Lufthansa can look back on more than 60 years of shared history with India. The airline first landed in Delhi as early as 1959. This connection has been continuously expanded. A codeshare agreement with Air India has existed since 2004, and in 2014 the Indian airline joined the Star Alliance co-founded by Lufthansa. In February 2025, the Lufthansa Group and Air India announced the expansion of codeshare agreements between Lufthansa, SWISS, Austrian Airlines, and Air India.
https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/en/ ... air-india/
- Enhanced market access to the world's most populous country with the fastest-growing aviation demand globally
- Joint Business Agreement for more connections, joint marketing of flight offerings, and improved customer experience
- India is the second most important market for long-haul flights after the USA
- Carsten Spohr: "New chapter in aviation between India and the EU"
The Lufthansa Group and Air India will work even more closely together in the future. To this end, Carsten Spohr, Chairman of the Executive Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Chief Executive Officer of the Lufthansa Group, and Campbell Wilson, Chief Executive Officer of Air India, today signed a Memorandum of Understanding that establishes the framework for a future Joint Business Agreement between the Lufthansa Group airlines as well as Air India and Air India Express.
The agreement is specifically designed to capitalize on new growth opportunities arising from the recently concluded free trade agreement between India—the world's most populous country—and the European Union (EU). The EU states are India's largest trading partners for goods. Bilateral trade in goods currently totals €180 billion per year. Both economic powers account not only for a quarter of the world's population, but also for a quarter of the world’s gross domestic product (GDP). The latest agreement creates nothing less than the world's largest free trade area.
Carsten Spohr, Chairman of the Executive Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Chief Executive Officer of the Lufthansa Group:
"Today's agreement with our long-standing Star Alliance partner Air India is a strong signal of our mutual determination to open a new chapter in aviation between the EU and India following the landmark trade agreement between both economic regions. Together with Air India, we will strengthen our access to the aviation market with the highest growth rates worldwide. The Lufthansa Group is already the most successful and most popular European airline group among customers in India. In the future, we will contribute to deepening economic and cultural relations between India and Europe with even more connections. With our new long-haul aircraft and Lufthansa Allegris and SWISS Senses on board, we are offering a significantly improved premium travel experience in all classes on more and more routes, including to India.”
Campbell Wilson, Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, Air India: “This milestone in our deepening relationship with the Lufthansa Group is great news for travellers and enterprises alike between India and Europe. As Air India continues to expand its global footprint with a fast-modernising fleet and transformed product and service offerings, this framework enables us to explore closer cooperation on multiple fronts to meet the growing trade, commerce, and people-to-people ties between our respective regions. This would unlock greater value for our common customers and respective shareholders, and we look forward to progressing these initiatives together with the Lufthansa Group.”
The immense growth of the Indian aviation market with a rapidly growing and affluent middle class offers enormous potential. Routes between the European home markets and India have already become the second most important premium market for long-haul flights for the Lufthansa Group after the USA. Deepening cooperation with Air India, the country's largest long-haul airline and a long-standing partner of the Lufthansa Group, opens up additional growth potential for both partners.
Currently, the Lufthansa Group airlines and Air India offer codeshare flights on 146 routes to 22 countries. The joint network comprises 15 Indian and 27 European destinations. Lufthansa offers its customers the most connections to India from Frankfurt: to Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, and Hyderabad. From the 5-star hub Munich, Delhi, Mumbai, and Bangalore are served. While SWISS flies from Zurich to Delhi and Mumbai, ITA Airways connects Rome with Delhi. This means that the newest member of the Lufthansa Group, ITA Airways, is also part of the Memorandum of Understanding. This extensive offering is complemented by Air India with long-haul connections from Delhi to Frankfurt, Zurich, Vienna, and Milan as well as from Mumbai to Frankfurt.
The Memorandum of Understanding signed today focuses in a first step on expanding and jointly marketing flight offerings with the goal of providing customers with a better connected and seamless travel experience between the Lufthansa Group's home markets—Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Italy—and India. A second step envisions incorporating the remaining EU countries and the Indian subcontinent. The exact scope, including specific routes and markets, will be determined following the completion of the commercial Joint Business Agreement, subject to required regulatory and antitrust approvals.
Looking ahead, the cooperation is to be expanded in several areas, particularly regarding the customer travel experience. The focus will be on further coordination of flight schedules and route networks in selected markets so that passengers can benefit from better connections and shorter transfer times. In addition, both partners want to combine their sales and marketing activities for flights between the Lufthansa Group's European home markets and India, better integrate frequent flyer programs, and optimize airport processes for improved customer comfort.
Lufthansa can look back on more than 60 years of shared history with India. The airline first landed in Delhi as early as 1959. This connection has been continuously expanded. A codeshare agreement with Air India has existed since 2004, and in 2014 the Indian airline joined the Star Alliance co-founded by Lufthansa. In February 2025, the Lufthansa Group and Air India announced the expansion of codeshare agreements between Lufthansa, SWISS, Austrian Airlines, and Air India.
https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/en/ ... air-india/
Ultima modifica di malpensante il mar 17 feb 2026, 19:50:39, modificato 1 volta in totale.
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Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
Dopo Montreal, Chicago, New York Newark, Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu, Wenzhou, Tokyo Haneda e Singapore, oltre che per Bruxelles, Francoforte, Monaco, Vienna e Zurigo ITA dunque volerà da Malpensa pure verso Delhi, almeno in code share.malpensante ha scritto: ↑mar 17 feb 2026, 19:50:39 This extensive offering is complemented by Air India with long-haul connections from Delhi to Frankfurt, Zurich, Vienna, and Milan as well as from Mumbai to Frankfurt.
Sono 10 voli intercontinentali, quando da Fiumicino ITA ne fa con WB su metallo proprio una quindicina abbondante.
Re: Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
Ottima considerazione. Ora abbiniamola alla quota di FF Volare residenti nel Nord-Ovest (mi sto limitando al bacino "fisico" di MXP): se il totale ha superato i 3.5M e la quota dei residenti italiani è del 64% come detto da ITA, significa che nel Belpaese ci sono circa 2.2-2.3M di soci. Tenendo presente i numeri di ITA a LIN, è ragionevole supporre che svariate centinaia di migliaia di FF Volare risiedano nell'area interessata. Tutta gente che fino ad oggi sul LR trovava le briciole che SkyTeam aveva destinato a MXP. Con il passaggio di ITA a Star cambierà tutto. E' vero che non sarà con metallo ITA, ma il punto di partenza che già oggi vede una decina di voli LR dell'alleanza che finora ha operato in concorrenza con la compagnia italiana, dovrebbe evidenziare quale massa di pax aggiuntivi si troverà nella condizione di volare LR da MXP una volta che tutta l'integrazione sarà a regime. Per cui sono più che convinto che arriveranno nuovi voli LR Star e i voli presenti saranno rinforzati. Inoltre saranno voli con CS ITA, con tutti i benefici economici del caso per quest'ultima.malpensante ha scritto: ↑mar 17 feb 2026, 19:58:13 Dopo Montreal, Chicago, New York Newark, Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu, Wenzhou, Tokyo Haneda e Singapore, oltre che per Bruxelles, Francoforte, Monaco, Vienna e Zurigo ITA dunque volerà da Malpensa pure verso Delhi, almeno in code share.
Sono 10 voli intercontinentali, quando da Fiumicino ITA ne fa con WB su metallo proprio una quindicina abbondante.
Perchè se è vero che MXP probabilmente non è destinato ad essere un hub per le note ragioni, è anche vero che ha la massa critica per diventare una focus city di primaria importanza per l'alleanza. E non mi stupirei affatto se nel medio lungo termine Star decidesse di aprire una lounge per i propri voli. Riassumendo, secondo me è in arrivo tanta roba sul LR, che si andrà ad aggiungere alle tante aperture degli ultimi anni.
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Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
Fuori dalla JV ci saranno voli intercontinentali da Addis Abeba, Bangkok, Taipei e poi quelli dal Cairo, Istanbul, Atene, Salonicco, Zagabria, Spalato, Lisbona e Varsavia, più quelli da Colonia, Amburgo, Hannover, Stoccarda e forse anche da Düsseldorf.
Ci sarebbero 13 voli intercontinentali a cui offrire prosecuzioni, poco meno di quelli che fa adesso ITA a Fiumicino, senza alcuna Joint Venture.
Ci sarebbero 13 voli intercontinentali a cui offrire prosecuzioni, poco meno di quelli che fa adesso ITA a Fiumicino, senza alcuna Joint Venture.
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Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
Miles & More è sempre più avaro con i comuni mortali, è chiaro che se voli dall’Italia hai e soprattutto avrai la tessera, quanto possa influire sulle scelte non so. I punti Volare mi sono serviti per sconti sui voli ITA, il che mi ha fatto scegliere di volare appunto con ITA. I punti Lufthansa dei comuni mortali scadono presto, salvo che non si abbia una loro carta di credito. Insomma non servono molto, per chi non ha status.belumosi ha scritto: nel Belpaese ci sono circa 2.2-2.3M di soci. Tenendo presente i numeri di ITA a LIN, è ragionevole supporre che svariate centinaia di migliaia di FF Volare risiedano nell'area interessata. Tutta gente che fino ad oggi sul LR trovava le briciole che SkyTeam aveva destinato a MXP. Con il passaggio di ITA a Star cambierà tutto.
I veri Frequent Flyer, quelli che volano tanto intercontinentale per lavoro… sono sicuro che ce ne saranno molti, molti di più in Lombardia che a Roma.
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Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
1) È vero?belumosi ha scritto:Perchè se è vero che MXP probabilmente non è destinato ad essere un hub per le note ragioni
2) Nella tua sfera di cristallo vedi ciò che succederà fra dieci anni o venti?
3) Le note ragioni sono una sola: per firmare un accordo con il governo italiano Lufthansa si è impegnata a lubrificare molto la propria lenta penetrazione azionaria in AZ, in modo che nessuno si lamentasse. Nessun cambiamento eclatante.
Certamente ITA continuerà ad avere un hub a Fiumicino, purché almeno non generi perdite.
Un secondo hub LH Group in Italia non è necessario, ma questo non vuol dire che il gruppo non possa decidere in futuro di fare un certo numero di transiti a Malpensa e/o di aprire qualche rotta intercontinentale, perché MIL è il mercato più importante dei Paesi in cui Lufthansa Group è il player dominante.
Dipende essenzialmente dalla crescita del mercato, che potrà essere accomodata a Linate per pochi milioni di passeggeri, mentre Bergamo vede la propria massima capacità all’orizzonte. Il resto del traffico potrà crescere soltanto in brughiera. Quello che vale adesso non necessariamente varrà sempre nel futuro.
Del resto ti posso garantire che nessuno in SEA, ma proprio NESSUNO, NESSUNO immaginava nel 2015 che dieci anni più tardi i passeggeri sarebbero stati 31.385.585
Perciò mai dire mai.
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Lufthansa Nearing Order For More Widebodies, CEO Says
Helen Massy-Beresford Jens Flottau March 19, 2026
Lufthansa is close to placing a follow-up order for new widebody aircraft with either Airbus or Boeing, according to CEO Carsten Spohr.
“We’re just at a final phase,” Spohr said at the Airlines for Europe (A4E) summit in Brussels on March 19. A decision is “a few weeks away probably.” Aircraft coming from this order “will be delivered in 2033.”
Lufthansa has outstanding orders for 21 Airbus A350-900s and 15 A350-1000s, 25 Boeing 787-9s and 27 777Xs. A large portion of its current in-service fleet is aging. At Lufthansa Airlines, the A340-600s are scheduled to leave the fleet after the 2026 summer season while the A340-300s and the 747-400s are expected to remain in service until after the summer of next year. Other group carriers are also due to phase out aging aircraft. Austrian Airlines plans to replace 777-200s and 767-300ERs. Meanwhile, Swiss International Air Lines (Swiss) still operates A340s, similar to Lufthansa.
The replacements have been delayed because of the late arrival of the 777X, now planned for early 2027, as well as seat certification issues on the 787-9 fleet, among other factors.
Lufthansa recently sold two 747-8s for $400 million, which will serve as training aircraft in the U.S. Air Force One fleet. At the time, Spohr indicated that the airline could use the money to accelerate its widebody fleet renewal, a process that has gained more urgency because of the current steep spike in oil prices.
Spohr did not specify which models are under consideration, but the airline has more recently started to warm up again to the idea of flying a larger share of widebodies. The 747-8 fleet (17 aircraft) and the A380s (eight aircraft) are scheduled to remain in operation well into the 2030s.
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport ... 9d33d8b77e
Lufthansa Nearing Order For More Widebodies, CEO Says
Helen Massy-Beresford Jens Flottau March 19, 2026
Lufthansa is close to placing a follow-up order for new widebody aircraft with either Airbus or Boeing, according to CEO Carsten Spohr.
“We’re just at a final phase,” Spohr said at the Airlines for Europe (A4E) summit in Brussels on March 19. A decision is “a few weeks away probably.” Aircraft coming from this order “will be delivered in 2033.”
Lufthansa has outstanding orders for 21 Airbus A350-900s and 15 A350-1000s, 25 Boeing 787-9s and 27 777Xs. A large portion of its current in-service fleet is aging. At Lufthansa Airlines, the A340-600s are scheduled to leave the fleet after the 2026 summer season while the A340-300s and the 747-400s are expected to remain in service until after the summer of next year. Other group carriers are also due to phase out aging aircraft. Austrian Airlines plans to replace 777-200s and 767-300ERs. Meanwhile, Swiss International Air Lines (Swiss) still operates A340s, similar to Lufthansa.
The replacements have been delayed because of the late arrival of the 777X, now planned for early 2027, as well as seat certification issues on the 787-9 fleet, among other factors.
Lufthansa recently sold two 747-8s for $400 million, which will serve as training aircraft in the U.S. Air Force One fleet. At the time, Spohr indicated that the airline could use the money to accelerate its widebody fleet renewal, a process that has gained more urgency because of the current steep spike in oil prices.
Spohr did not specify which models are under consideration, but the airline has more recently started to warm up again to the idea of flying a larger share of widebodies. The 747-8 fleet (17 aircraft) and the A380s (eight aircraft) are scheduled to remain in operation well into the 2030s.
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport ... 9d33d8b77e
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Re: Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
Può essere una buona idea comprare adesso, in un momento di crisi, quando gli ordini sono crollati si potrebbero fare ottimi affari
Re: Lufthansa Group verso una Joint Venture anche con Air India
Ricordo che gli aerei non sono prodotti off the shelf, non sono la spesa settimanale al supermercato o il pieno di benzina.cesare.caldi ha scritto: ↑ven 20 mar 2026, 18:23:25 Può essere una buona idea comprare adesso, in un momento di crisi, quando gli ordini sono crollati si potrebbero fare ottimi affari
Si ordinano con notevole anticipo e, tranne sporadici ed eccezionali casi che sembrano riguardare più che altro Mo'L, fruiscon di sconti legati al numero di aerei ordinati e alla storia commerciale precedente.
Non mi pare di aver letto da nessuna parte di una valanga di cancellazione di ordini. Nei primi due mesi di quest'anno Airbus ha totalizzato 77 nuovi ordini (e non capisco perché un ordine confermato di un ordine di 8 A350-1000 non sia incluso in questo totale) e in marzo già ordini confermati per 125 A320 neo e 20 A350F. Boeing è partita col botto e già in gennaio ha accumulato ordini per 103 velivoli.
Forse, e ripeto forse, se tra qualche mese perdureranno guerra, cieli vietati per svariate ragioni, carburante ai massimi livelli e mete turistiche off limits allora, e solo allora, potremmo vedere una contrazione degli ordini. Ma se ciò avverrà anche LH non avrà motivo di piazzare un ordine importante (tranne che per la semplice sostituzione di velivoli anziani).
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