Initiative aimed at evolving Air France’s domestic flight service to and from Paris by 2026
October 18, 2023
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The rise of videoconferencing, the drop in domestic business travel and the growing shift toward rail (under the combined effect of government sobriety recommendations and corporate CSR policies) are leading to a structural fall in demand on Air France's domestic point-to-point network. Between 2019 and 2023, traffic on domestic routes out of Paris-Orly fell by 40%, and even by 60% for day return trips.
In light of this situation, the Air France Group today presents a project to employee representative bodies to adapt its domestic service to and from Paris by summer 2026.
Following this development, connections to and from Paris would be operated according to the following principles:
Air France would operate all its domestic and international flights from its Paris-Charles de Gaulle hub. The only exception, as per Public Service Order (PSO) guidelines: Air France would continue to operate service from/to Corsica out of Paris-Orly. As such, Air France would honour its commitments. Air France submitted a joint bid with Air Corsica for the renewal of this PSO from 2024, thereby demonstrating its commitment to a sustained service to Corsica.
Transavia would become the Air France Group’s reference operator from Paris-Orly. Transavia would stay the course of its development, namely thanks to its growing fleet of new Airbus A320neo family aircraft. These latest generation aircraft offer a 15% reduction in fuel consumption and CO2 emissions, as well as a 50% reduction of the noise footprint.
Between now and 2026, Air France would continue serving Toulouse, Marseille and Nice, as well as the French Overseas departments from Paris-Orly[1].
As the adaptation process moves forward, Air France would bolster the number of flights from Paris-Charles de Gaulle to Toulouse, Marseille, Nice, Pointe-à-Pitre, Fort-de-France and Saint-Denis de La Réunion, thus facilitating international connections and strengthening the connectivity of the French regions and Overseas territories. The Air France Group also intends, after consultation with the relevant bodies, to position Transavia on services to Toulouse, Marseille and Nice from Paris-Orly airport from summer 2026.
The Group's capacity between Paris and Toulouse, Marseille and Nice would be maintained at 90% of its current level, and at 100% for routes between Paris and the French overseas territories.
The initiative as a whole would help Air France maintain a strong brand presence in all the markets it serves, and be more responsive to rapidly changing travel demand. It would optimise the use of each airline's resources, make the offer clearer for customers and improve Air France's competitiveness.
A limited impact on employment, avoiding any forced dismissals
Regarding employees based in the French regions, and given that part of the flights currently operating out of Paris-Orly would be redeployed to Paris-Charles de Gaulle, the impact this initiative would have on jobs in Toulouse, Marseille and Nice would be limited, and would be managed solely on the basis of voluntary transfers and departures. The flight crew bases at these stations would be maintained.
Regarding employees based in Paris-Orly, staffing needs at Paris-Charles de Gaulle will be such by 2026 to guarantee everyone an equivalent position at the Roissy site. Mobility options on the Paris-Orly platform would be considered first.
A process of information and consultation with employee representative bodies will begin very shortly, along with negotiations with representative trade unions, in order to define the best way to support all employees affected by these changes.
[1] Air France has been serving Overseas France from Paris-Orly and Paris-Charles de Gaulle since 2020. As of the end of October 2023, flights to Cayenne (French Guiana) will be out of Paris-Charles de Gaulle only.
https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pres ... paris-2026
Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
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Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Mi sembra una saggia decisione concentrarsi unicamente a CDG.
Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Probabilmente da qui al 2026 pensioneranno un certo numero di piloti e AV attualmente pagati con l'oneroso contratto AF, per sostituirli con personale giovane alle condizioni senz'altro più sostenibili di Transavia.
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Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Un articolo molto interessante che esprime il pensiero del CEO del gruppo AF-KL circa il futuro (utilizzo) di Orly
Walking away from Paris Orly would be ‘a lost opportunity’: Air France-KLM chief on Transavia plan
By Graham Dunn18 December 2023
Air France-KLM chief executive Ben Smith believes the group’s strong slot position at Paris Orly makes for too good an opportunity to walk away from, as it puts its faith in low-cost unit Transavia to deliver a profitable operation from the airport.
Last month Air France outlined a plan to transfer its remaining French mainland flights from Orly – namely Marseille, Nice and Toulouse – to Transavia from the summer of 2026.
The move would all but end Air France’s presence at Orly – it will still operate flights to Corsica – under a strategy that will see it consolidate its operations out of Paris Charles de Gaulle. Instead the group is turning to Transavia as its prime tool for developing Orly.
The group had already moved a number of domestic routes from Orly over to Transavia having secured a vital union agreement in 2020 with Air France pilots removing a cap on the number of aircraft Transavia France could operate.
While Transavia’s operating profit of €16 million ($17 million) after the first nine months of the year comprises only a small portion of the group’s profit for the period, Smith – speaking during an Air France-KLM investor day on 14 December – argues the carrier is already making a big difference.
”When you look at the results, on its own it doesn’t look so great financially. But you have to take in what Air France would have been losing if Air France had of been occupying the slots,” he says.
”Today just on the Orly ‘Navetta’ routes – Toulouse, Marseille and Nice – we are losing at least €80 million a year with Air France,” he says. ”So those routes will be transferred to Transavia, the capacity will be lowered and the objective is to eliminate those losses and to get them to at least break even, if not profitability.”
Perhaps illustrative of the value Smith attaches to Transavia is the amount of time he spent during the investor day highlighting the Paris Orly opportunity as one of the strategic tools to enable the group to achieve its new medium-term goal of delivering a €2 billion improvement in group profitability over the next five years.
”This airport is close to Paris,” he says, a position set to be further boosted by the opening of a new Metro rail link next summer which will cut travel time to central Paris to under 20 minutes. ”Paris is the largest city on the European continent. So to be in a situation where we had 50% of the slots and we are not profitable, we have potential here with a low-cost carrier which is similar in cost to EasyJet, where we should be able to turn this airport into profit.”
That means switching its network into one more akin to low-cost rivals and utilising its incoming fleet of Airbus A320-family Neos. Slots freed up by reducing its domestic capacity out of Orly will be deployed by Transavia on more profitable routes. “We are moving as quickly as possible to move that capacity out of the French domestic market to European destinations, which are much more profitable, and northern Africa were the competitors are quite weak.
”We see North Africa is extremely strong, we’ve been able to make money quite quickly. It is the European services that are taking time, going against some well-established airlines,” Smith says.
He notes the airline does not hold number one positions in terms of capacity on several major European routes from Orly including Barcelona, Lisbon, Madrid and Rome. “There is lots of opportunity for us to grow with no possibility for these competitors to add capacity, because there are no slots. So as we transfer Air France slots to Transavia, we can choose to grow our position… depending on where the most profit is.”
He also believes a key weapon against the low-cost carriers will be Transavia tapping the group’s Flying Blue frequent flyer programme. “We are just starting to dial up our Flying Blue [loyalty programme] – which is the key unique tool we have that the others have not got,” he says.
”The fact that this carrier is based at Orly is something truly unique and is something very valuable for us,” Smith adds. ”It is taking a lot of effort by an excellent team to put this in place. Big investment on our part to completely refleet Transavia. We’ve got new planes coming, we have to train up the pilots, but once we have the pieces in place, my expectations are, it should be one of the biggest profit drivers we have in the group.
”It’s a big, big effort, a lot of risk on implementation and execution. But walking away from this airport would be such a lost opportunity and we think we can make it here with Transavia.”
https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/w ... 21.article
Walking away from Paris Orly would be ‘a lost opportunity’: Air France-KLM chief on Transavia plan
By Graham Dunn18 December 2023
Air France-KLM chief executive Ben Smith believes the group’s strong slot position at Paris Orly makes for too good an opportunity to walk away from, as it puts its faith in low-cost unit Transavia to deliver a profitable operation from the airport.
Last month Air France outlined a plan to transfer its remaining French mainland flights from Orly – namely Marseille, Nice and Toulouse – to Transavia from the summer of 2026.
The move would all but end Air France’s presence at Orly – it will still operate flights to Corsica – under a strategy that will see it consolidate its operations out of Paris Charles de Gaulle. Instead the group is turning to Transavia as its prime tool for developing Orly.
The group had already moved a number of domestic routes from Orly over to Transavia having secured a vital union agreement in 2020 with Air France pilots removing a cap on the number of aircraft Transavia France could operate.
While Transavia’s operating profit of €16 million ($17 million) after the first nine months of the year comprises only a small portion of the group’s profit for the period, Smith – speaking during an Air France-KLM investor day on 14 December – argues the carrier is already making a big difference.
”When you look at the results, on its own it doesn’t look so great financially. But you have to take in what Air France would have been losing if Air France had of been occupying the slots,” he says.
”Today just on the Orly ‘Navetta’ routes – Toulouse, Marseille and Nice – we are losing at least €80 million a year with Air France,” he says. ”So those routes will be transferred to Transavia, the capacity will be lowered and the objective is to eliminate those losses and to get them to at least break even, if not profitability.”
Perhaps illustrative of the value Smith attaches to Transavia is the amount of time he spent during the investor day highlighting the Paris Orly opportunity as one of the strategic tools to enable the group to achieve its new medium-term goal of delivering a €2 billion improvement in group profitability over the next five years.
”This airport is close to Paris,” he says, a position set to be further boosted by the opening of a new Metro rail link next summer which will cut travel time to central Paris to under 20 minutes. ”Paris is the largest city on the European continent. So to be in a situation where we had 50% of the slots and we are not profitable, we have potential here with a low-cost carrier which is similar in cost to EasyJet, where we should be able to turn this airport into profit.”
That means switching its network into one more akin to low-cost rivals and utilising its incoming fleet of Airbus A320-family Neos. Slots freed up by reducing its domestic capacity out of Orly will be deployed by Transavia on more profitable routes. “We are moving as quickly as possible to move that capacity out of the French domestic market to European destinations, which are much more profitable, and northern Africa were the competitors are quite weak.
”We see North Africa is extremely strong, we’ve been able to make money quite quickly. It is the European services that are taking time, going against some well-established airlines,” Smith says.
He notes the airline does not hold number one positions in terms of capacity on several major European routes from Orly including Barcelona, Lisbon, Madrid and Rome. “There is lots of opportunity for us to grow with no possibility for these competitors to add capacity, because there are no slots. So as we transfer Air France slots to Transavia, we can choose to grow our position… depending on where the most profit is.”
He also believes a key weapon against the low-cost carriers will be Transavia tapping the group’s Flying Blue frequent flyer programme. “We are just starting to dial up our Flying Blue [loyalty programme] – which is the key unique tool we have that the others have not got,” he says.
”The fact that this carrier is based at Orly is something truly unique and is something very valuable for us,” Smith adds. ”It is taking a lot of effort by an excellent team to put this in place. Big investment on our part to completely refleet Transavia. We’ve got new planes coming, we have to train up the pilots, but once we have the pieces in place, my expectations are, it should be one of the biggest profit drivers we have in the group.
”It’s a big, big effort, a lot of risk on implementation and execution. But walking away from this airport would be such a lost opportunity and we think we can make it here with Transavia.”
https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/w ... 21.article
Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Immagino che il sottolineato serva per appuntare spunti di discussione in merito a Milano. Ci sono certamente analogie ma anche differenze. Innanzitutto Parigi è una metropoli di 7 milioni di abitanti contro i 3,5 di Milano, in secondo luogo per la prima Air France ha un hub con i controcaxxi mentre per la seconda non c'è nessuno.
Applicando lo stesso modello però, AZ dovrebbe un hub - Milano o Roma che sia - e lasciare le tratte a una sua affiliata low cost.
Applicando lo stesso modello però, AZ dovrebbe un hub - Milano o Roma che sia - e lasciare le tratte a una sua affiliata low cost.
AHO-ARN-BLQ-BGY-CAG-DUB-FCO-FLR-FRL-GOA-GRO-KIR-KBP-LIN-MXP-MUC-OLB-PMF-PSA-STN-TBS-TPS-TRN-TRS-TSF-VCE
Primo anno in perdita, secondo in pareggio e terzo in utile
Primo anno in perdita, secondo in pareggio e terzo in utile
Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Quale stratagemma usano per girare gli slot di AF a TO? Sono due compagnie diverse, se gli slot sono di AF non si possono dare ad un altro senza rispettare le norme sulle assegnazioni.
Ottimo che in AF stiano razionalizzando un po' tutto e che si sviluppi Transavia. Il lungo raggio da Orly non l'ho mai capito. AF ha molti voli da Parigi per Tolosa e Nizza quindi ci poteva anche stare che sdoppiassero l'aeroporto parigino da queste destinazioni ma da quanto si legge sono in perdita secca. Dicono anche che non ci sarà una sostituzione 1 a 1 ma parte della capacità oggi impiegata sul nazionale da Orly verrà utilizzata per altre destinazioni.
Con l'occasione ricordo anche che la casa madre ha siglato un ordine per 100 A320/321 nuovi da distribuire fra AF, KL e Transavia.
Facendo due conti la mia ipotesi è che circa 40 macchine (direi 320) andranno in KL per fare una storica sostituzione dei 737,
15/20 321neo andranno in AF a sostituire i vecchissimi a 321 (alcuni di 30 anni!) e qualche 320 più datato;
i restanti 40 potrebbero andare in Transavia anche se resto perplesso della flotta mista.
Ottimo che in AF stiano razionalizzando un po' tutto e che si sviluppi Transavia. Il lungo raggio da Orly non l'ho mai capito. AF ha molti voli da Parigi per Tolosa e Nizza quindi ci poteva anche stare che sdoppiassero l'aeroporto parigino da queste destinazioni ma da quanto si legge sono in perdita secca. Dicono anche che non ci sarà una sostituzione 1 a 1 ma parte della capacità oggi impiegata sul nazionale da Orly verrà utilizzata per altre destinazioni.
Con l'occasione ricordo anche che la casa madre ha siglato un ordine per 100 A320/321 nuovi da distribuire fra AF, KL e Transavia.
Facendo due conti la mia ipotesi è che circa 40 macchine (direi 320) andranno in KL per fare una storica sostituzione dei 737,
15/20 321neo andranno in AF a sostituire i vecchissimi a 321 (alcuni di 30 anni!) e qualche 320 più datato;
i restanti 40 potrebbero andare in Transavia anche se resto perplesso della flotta mista.
Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Sei certo che le normative francesi non consentano l’utilizzo da parte di una consociata, o addirittura la cessione diretta di slot?gabbozzo ha scritto:Quale stratagemma usano per girare gli slot di AF a TO? Sono due compagnie diverse, se gli slot sono di AF non si possono dare ad un altro senza rispettare le norme sulle assegnazioni.
Ottimo che in AF stiano razionalizzando un po' tutto e che si sviluppi Transavia. Il lungo raggio da Orly non l'ho mai capito. AF ha molti voli da Parigi per Tolosa e Nizza quindi ci poteva anche stare che sdoppiassero l'aeroporto parigino da queste destinazioni ma da quanto si legge sono in perdita secca. Dicono anche che non ci sarà una sostituzione 1 a 1 ma parte della capacità oggi impiegata sul nazionale da Orly verrà utilizzata per altre destinazioni.
Con l'occasione ricordo anche che la casa madre ha siglato un ordine per 100 A320/321 nuovi da distribuire fra AF, KL e Transavia.
Facendo due conti la mia ipotesi è che circa 40 macchine (direi 320) andranno in KL per fare una storica sostituzione dei 737,
15/20 321neo andranno in AF a sostituire i vecchissimi a 321 (alcuni di 30 anni!) e qualche 320 più datato;
i restanti 40 potrebbero andare in Transavia anche se resto perplesso della flotta mista.
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Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Basta mettere il volo in code share.
Re: Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
Do per scontato che ci sia una certa uniformità nelle regole per assegnazione capacità. Magari mi sbaglio eh ;)
Dal 2026 Air France lascerà Orly, dove sarà sostituita da Transavia sulle rotte nazionali
La seconda che hai detto, in generale (ma non mi sono mai interessato di come funzioni in Francia).
E comunque, anche fosse come in Italia, il metodo malpensante (c/s) è foolproof.
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